I Fail to Understand the Cruelty

From 2 kings 2:23,24

2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Malevolent deity, or self-loathing author?

Note: For anyone reading the replies to this post and wondering how Hitler came into the discussion, here’s the answer. I saw a meme that, unfortunately, used Hitler to make a point about 2 kings 2:23,24. Moving too quickly, I posted the meme image. Thus Hitler entered the room. I swiftly rectified my mistake, replacing the meme with verse. As it turns out, Hitler proved useful as a catalyst for the discussion.



9 thoughts on “I Fail to Understand the Cruelty

  1. If you could have killed Hitler when he was a child, would you have?
    Similiarly, God nipped human evil in the bud. Just think how much murder, rape, pillaging, torture, sadism and evil God eradicated from the face of the Earth.
    Do you think that Hitler would have responded positively to an atheist teachin on good and evil?
    Neither would have the kids in your story. Evil is evil.

    • No, I would not. Hitler the child wasn’t THE Hitler. And thank you for bringing this to mind: The meme is quite unnecessary. In fact, it’s a distraction.

      It’s interesting you sign a known evil future to the 42 children, and simultaneously supportive their being killed. Mauled by bears, at that.

      I cannot bring myself to condone the murder of anyone, much less children. Your contrivance of assigning evil to the kids to justify their murder brings me back to:

      Malevolent deity, or self-loathing author?

      • Humanist,

        If Hitler was not himself as a child, who was he?

        Adolf was Adolf for his entire life and you the atheist don’t get to hallucinate an alternate reality to suite some bizarre fantasy in which atheist You saved a poor little boy who would grow up to be a mass murdering monster.

        The lesson of the Bible is clear: Evil must be exterminated. It can’t be reeducated or rehabilitated or turned good by an atheist teach-in.

  2. As a child he was, well, a child. He was not a baby Nazi, a little murderer, or a mini-racist. He had yet to become any of those things.

    You choose to sentence or sanction children to be killed for a life they have yet to live. Yet you fail to recognize that such acts would demonstrate an evil in yourself equal to or exceeding that which you wish to exterminate through murder or, indeed, infanticide.

    Thus far we have merely disagreed. I would not pretend to deny you your god given compulsion to argue for, and perhaps even desire, the killing of children in the name of that which you worship. In an attempt to be polite, I will refrain from a discussion of the obvious and direct parallels of your stated position to modern day terrorism under the color of religious zeal.

    I will state emphatically that you cannot, and will not, deny me my hallucination, reality, or fantasy (regardless how bizarre you may feel it) in which I save, or argue for, life; especially the life of a child.

    • Humanist,

      We must take things as they are. Hitler had a life that went on a trajectory of evil. Since we know what he became, exterminating him as a child would keep him from doing what he did.

      • I am a moral being. I value life. I will not accept or adopt a position that suggests infanticide or murder of children is acceptable. There is no dogma, rule, law, or belief that can transform the murder of children into a desirable, indeed laudable, act.

        Leaving the evil and immorality of murder and infanticide aside, allow me this. Were I to grant that a good and moral person could somehow consider those acts a suitable preventative of future evil, I submit such a person could never reasonably and with firm moral standing commit those acts. Doing so would require that person to know with certainty – the certainty that can justify murdering children – what the future lives of those children holds. That is simply not possible. Even if that were not the case, such foreknowledge is not a moral cause to murder children. There can BE no moral cause for such action.

        I am a moral being. I value life. Were such foreknowledge possible, the only moral course would be to mitigate that future possibility. I leave it to you to discover appropriate means, but I strongly encourage you to consider possibilities that avoid teaching children that infanticide, murder, and a host of other hateful and cruel behaviors are justified under any circumstance whatsoever.

      • Humanist,

        By letting young Hitler to live you condemn 10’s of millions of people to death.

        Consequently, what you think you value is foolishness and amorality, not life. Your lack of authentic value for human life is reminiscent of Neval Chamberlain who told all the world’s people, “Peace in our time,” because he thought he had actually made a deal with Adolf Hilter to avoid war.

        Instead, Chamberlain’s lack of values and his utter foolishness incited Hitler to even more brutality.

        Brutality, slaughter on unimaginable scales and hell on Earth are where your “value of life” leads.

        That has been proven over and over again, showing that atheists have no use for evidence.

      • Ahhh, so we are reduced to denunciatory fallaciousness and irrelevance. Please forgive my moment of weakness in sinking equally low and allow me to offer my response in kind.

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        Oh, I don’t want to seem an ungracious host. Please feel free to drop in any time you wish to discuss this as an adult and on its merits.

      • Humanist,

        Someone who can’t see the difference between one death and 64,000,000 (the World War II dead) is indeed foolish.

        My intent was accuracy not insult.

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